tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3586565064372847590.post2850030682255914636..comments2024-01-01T15:26:04.383-05:00Comments on Rootless Cosmopolitan: From the Back Wall - Yiddish Songs of Work and Strugglerokhlhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15442447160759343139noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3586565064372847590.post-23663063102387336022018-07-03T00:59:12.036-04:002018-07-03T00:59:12.036-04:00I have the disk. Can someone make a copy of the te...I have the disk. Can someone make a copy of the text to share with me? Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08368638609833034614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3586565064372847590.post-24614160246139501152014-06-17T23:28:31.706-04:002014-06-17T23:28:31.706-04:00No doubt you're right about these Yiddish song...No doubt you're right about these Yiddish songs existing within a context of general labor choirs and socialist anthems. Any particular examples come to mind?rokhlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15442447160759343139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3586565064372847590.post-78096319944042737102014-06-17T13:02:35.193-04:002014-06-17T13:02:35.193-04:00I also have a copy of this album on vinyl; it'...I also have a copy of this album on vinyl; it's a remarkable thing. What struck me is surely the influence of trade union choirs and socialist singing generally? Several of the songs sound remarkably similar to various socialist/anarchist anthems from all over the world, and I would be inclined to think that is where the direct influence comes from (these were, after all, mostly songs written for en masse singing, whilst marching).<br /><br />Glad to see other people appreciating it!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3586565064372847590.post-33942415446178408152013-12-25T01:35:32.657-05:002013-12-25T01:35:32.657-05:00Thanks for posting yes there is a connection betwe...Thanks for posting yes there is a connection between yiddish and german music moaz tzur for instance is a old jewish song that sounds like old german music but there is also old jewish music nusach of rosh hashanah and yom kipper or siliches that is called sinai nuginim meening they can be traced back to the "Maharil" Reb Yaakov ben moshe levi moelin (1360-1427)that wrote books on jewish customs .<br />mutty gordonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3586565064372847590.post-78429144607122561072013-11-29T15:40:24.116-05:002013-11-29T15:40:24.116-05:00Why not digitize this record, so that you could sh...Why not digitize this record, so that you could share it with the rest of the world. I would love to hear it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3586565064372847590.post-9730977017004307792013-10-16T15:06:14.806-04:002013-10-16T15:06:14.806-04:00Also, the melody itself is traditional, so I make ...Also, the melody itself is traditional, so I make no judgments about it sounding one way or another, Western or Eastern (whatever those things mean). We're talking strictly about arrangements here.rokhlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15442447160759343139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3586565064372847590.post-57693004311126009142013-10-16T15:04:55.890-04:002013-10-16T15:04:55.890-04:00I dunno, it's hard to really know what the art...I dunno, it's hard to really know what the artistic intentions are. I suppose we're lucky because we could as Josh (or Zalmen) what they were thinking at the time. But the "sacred" allusions within the arrangements here make sense. In 1971, the young people in the Bund chorus would have been approaching this material as 'sacred'. Many of their parents were Holocaust survivors (and Bund members.)rokhlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15442447160759343139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3586565064372847590.post-26244709963108203612013-10-14T15:42:45.773-04:002013-10-14T15:42:45.773-04:00Another point: My guess is that the non-Jewish mus...Another point: My guess is that the non-Jewish musical connections here are probably Eastern European (again, Slavic folk and church music), rather than Western. But I'm open to correction. Jeff Warschauerhttp://klezmerduo.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3586565064372847590.post-77213106339150175202013-10-14T15:36:25.865-04:002013-10-14T15:36:25.865-04:00Hi Rokhl,
Nice posting!
I think that it's ...Hi Rokhl, <br /><br />Nice posting! <br /><br />I think that it's very risky to try to make conclusions about a melody based on an arrangement. Arrangements carry all kinds of influences brought by the arranger. <br /><br />Beyond the issues brought by the arrangement, this melody sounds (in my opinion) very "Jewish," as well as having a strong connection to Ukrainian folk (and Slavic church) music. <br /><br />I would also be careful about using the term "freygish" in this way. Freygish is just one of several common modes that sound "Jewish" in 2013, as you've put it. Jeff Warschauerhttp://klezmerduo.comnoreply@blogger.com